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Imaginea,din http://aplaceofbrightness.blogspot.com/2008/11/moonlight-in-romania-tartaria-tablets_21.html

 

 

UNU LA MÂNĂ:

Fără îndoială,și orbi să fim, se vede clar că avem scris acolo pe tăblița de la Tăatăria "DDoo" sau "DDoc" (citește DDos?),după cum doriți fiecare.

Problema este: În istoria și lingvistia mondială,dacă cercetăm, ce putem deduce din "dublu D"= "DD"?

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Ziceam că avem o problemă mare: ce înseamnă două litere identice alăturate.

De fapt problema este mai mare devreme ce nu se mai știe, care este relația între : DD=RR=Th/Thita ?

Din Etruscan_Phrasesn Translation of Short Inscriptions (continued) Scripts: by Mel Copeland
http://www.maravot.com/Translation_ShortScripts_d.html

<BM-1 ATHLE (ALE or ADLE) [Translation: Atlas]
BM-2 CRVTHAI (CRVAI or CRVDAI) CE [Translation: cruel / cruelty ( L. crudelis-e, adj. crudelitas-atis, f.; It. cudele, adj., crudeita, f.; Fr. crauté, f.) to us (It. ce)] Note: It is interesting that this mirror does not have the name Heracles (Etr. HERCLE) though it contains the name of Atlas, probably written with the thita:"
". The similar character in CRVTHAI is also probably the thita; however it does appear to be the character "D" which would normally be read as an "R."The letter "d" is rare in Etruscan scripts. To confirm the actual character used we need a good image of the original mirror. >>

 

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                               S

                       D D o s

Sper s[ nmu fie cayul>

Din More on 'd.d.'  http://campusmawrtius.blogspot.com/2005/11/more-on-dd.html

\\And here are a few more abbreviations (the second of which lends support to Dennis' suggestion 'dedit') listed in chapter 7 employing the letter 'D':

D: dat
D, D.D: dedit
D, DED, DD: dedicavit
D.D.D: dedit idemque dedicavit
D.D: dono dedit (is dono some sort of predicative dative here? Or is this a parallel construction to one in which we would find the accusative of the person and the ablative of the thing (cf. Allen & Greenough 225d)?) >>

doonmo dedit :"dat -dar", "dat în dar". Ce să mao zic că tot înm latină de deus:"de la zeu" și de deos :" de la zei" înm lat. și sp. iar deibos=deivos="zeu" ?la genitiv ca și "al zeului"?

Acum os="os".dar ce sens ar avea :"dat în dar Os" ? Nu văd.Mai ales că nmu este ossis,oase ci os=os.

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Dar să revenim la lucruri mai vechi:

Din Is the Name “Jesus” Pagan? lampofmessiah.com/Documents/Is%20the%20Name%20Jesus%20pagan.pdf

 

<<Zeus in Ancient Greek is not pronounced as Zoos. Its first letter, zeta (z), actually has a “dz” sound. A more accurate transliteration of Dzeus is better ...>>

 

1.                             Din Chapter 05 www.oup.com/us/companion.websites/9780195308044/studentresources/chapters/ch05/?view=usa

 

<<ZEUS [zous], "bright" (JUPITER), originally a god of the sky, became the supreme god ... >>

 

 

 

Din [B-Greek] Iesous/zeus connection lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-greek/2005-September/035811.html

 

Next message: [B-Greek] B-Greek meet-and-eat at ETS (Valley Forge/King of ... of Jesus (ee-ay-sous) was not directly derived from the name of Zeus (dzous). ...
Din
Lithuanian Religion and Mythology ausis.gf.vu.lt/eka/mythology/relmyth.html

 

 

  Baltic Dievas, Dievs, Deivs is related to Greek Zeus, Dzeus (cf. Lith dialect Pondzejis), avest. Daeva, luvian Tiwat, German Tivaz. ...

 

Din Estudios www.kehilabeithayotzer.com/Estudios.html -

 

<< La palabra Dios llega a nosotros del latín “Deus” que es la palabra latina para la palabra griega Dzeos.>>

 

J. Gordon Henry Ministries - Sermón Doce - Una Navidad Buena www.semenariosdeoracionesdelministeriodejgordonhenry.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view...

 

<<Sí, el mundo ha tenido un visitante del espacio exterior. Él es dios mismo dDios. Dios poderoso de la creación vino y caminó una vez en carne humana en esta ...>>

 

 Da-douc:”duc torța(arderea,lumina?)

 

De douc, dhe douc :”duc,conduc  din,de la”,”din/pământ duc,conduc

 

De dous,dhe dous :”dus dinm,de la”,” din/pământ dus

 

Dedus:”dus,adus din,de la”=”dedus

 

 

Acum înspre getă/gotă/română veche:

 

Da duc:”aici,aceasta duc

 

Da dus:”aici aceasta,acum  dus” (aici,acum) s-a dus

 

 

 

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De exemplu, rad. semitic "dwd.

Da, aceasta este o r[d[cin[ de care nu putem s[ nu 'inem seama.Și nu pentru că îi îndrăgesc pe evrei,ceea ce nu este cazul, ci pentzru că lingviștii spun că în faza inițială PIE a avut un puternic caracter semitic. Acest lucru se poate vedea și la limbile surori ale tracei,letona-lituaniana.Dar aș vrea să spun acum altceva. Pornind de la

 S / Se / SS  Din  http://www.bartleby.com/61/8.html<< s(w)e-, designating the self, one’s own group.>>

 D D o s

O interpretare de genul SeD, SeDio, SeDios am mai avut-o în cap și înainte,dat fiind legătura evidentă (ligatura) între semnul +++++ S sau SS și semnul D. Vedeți cim sînt legate între ele cu o linie? Ca pentru a îndrepta atenția cuiva.Și ce se întîmplă dacă legăm S cu D? Se întămplî că rezultă SED,SEDi,SEDio,care este legat de așezare.Dar acest lucru se vede mai bine în rîndurile următoare.

Din Proto-Celtic sedos Query method Match substring An etymological lexicon of Proto-Celtic (in progress) [Matasovic] :http://www.indo-european.nl/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=leiden&morpho=0&basename=%5Cdata%5Cie%5Cceltic&first=1&sort=celtic&text_celtic=sedos&method_celtic=substring&text_oir=&method_oir=substring&text_w=&method_w=substring&text_bret=&method_bret=substring&text_co=&method_co=substring&text_gaul=&method_gaul=substring&text_lep=&method_lep=substring&text_celtib=&method_celtib=substring&text_pie=&method_pie=substring&text_pok=&method_pok=substring&text_other=&method_other=substring&text_see=&method_see=substring&text_notes=&method_notes=substring&text_references=&method_references=substring&text_any=&method_any=substringProto-Celtic: <<Proto-Celtic: *0000">sedos-, *s–dos- 'tumulus (inhabited by supernatural beings), peace' [Noun]                    Proto-Indo-European: *sŒd-s / Gen. *0000">sed-os 'seat' >>

Din Full text of "Outlines of Latin phonetics"  www.archive.org/stream/outlinesoflatinp00nied/outlinesoflatinp00nied_djvu.txt 

<<... bined in sedeo sedes sSlium (for d > I see § 37) sido from *si-sd-o (a formation like gi-gn-o above): *sisdo > *sizdo > sido according to §§ 25 and 86. ...>>
de Carlos Quiles, Kárlos Kūriákī books.google.ro/books?isbn=8461176391...

<<... either complete or abbreviated; as, sisdo, sit down, settle down (also sizdo, as Lat. sisto, Gk. hidzein, found in nisdos/nizdos, nest, all from sed-44, ...>>
Mie de un singur lucru îmi este frică.Adică și cu frică și fără,situația cum o fi fost în trecut nu o va schimba starea și gîndirea mea.Este vorba de faptul că etruscii ar veni din Lidia-Ludia,că latvia este de fapt Lutwia,adică provin din luwieni,că noi avem afinități cu ținutul Troad ș.a.m. d. pe scurt să nu cumva să fie vorba de o migrație a unui popor IE în fază incipientă dinspre Anatolia încoace.Altfel eu aș vrea ca migrația să fi decurs în sens invers7contrar.
Nici nu ar fi nimic,dacă nu acest sizdo,sisdo nu ar fi legat de sosdati,zidu și în general de a așeza,așezare și zidire.
7.5.5 The problem of the Thracians: a new hypothesis http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message176223/pg2
<<.......in some cases, however, Thracian affinities seem stronger with Slavic: the Thr. place-name suffix -dizos e -diza, for example, to which the meaning of ‘fortress’ has
been attributed on the basis of the comparison with Gr. tekhos ‘wall’ (IEW 244), has a much closer counterpart in the metathetic forms of OSl. ziŸdoã, zydati ‘to build’ zydu,
zidu; ‘wall’, than in the Baltic ones (also methatetic), meaning ‘to form’. >>
Și nu aș insista atît cu așezatul,dacă nu ar fi următoarele elemente:
-Tăblița scrisă a fost găsită în imediata vecinătate a fundației unei construcții circulare.Dar și un cercetîtor,parcă Dl. Merlini făcea ipoteza unui ritual legat de o nouă construcție.Acum această nouă construcție eu cred că ar putera fi un siloz SIROS în latină și HORREO în spaniolă.Siros care bineînțeles că are legătură cu Usir,Osiros dar și cu seiros gr. uscat și cu uscarea. Evident păstrarea în uscător/siloz a cerealelor.
-Dacă cei din neolitic nu aveau prostul obicei de a îngropa statuete și tot felul de abțibilduri din astea aparent făcînd parte dintr-un ritual în care asemenea obiecte erau folosite O SINGURĂ DATĂ. ce era în capul lor nu știu.Că puneau farmece pentru una sau alta sau ce făceau nu știu.
-dcă nu ar apare obsedant didos gr. (eu) dau ,  apoi forme de genul dedos,dados și multe asemenea care înseamnă "DAT,DATORIE,DAR" (și în general legat de dat).aDICĂ SĂ FIE VORBA DE dat=dar=ofrandă.
 HR > face bine hario,haris,chara,charo; dar,farmec HAR,magiciană,prezicătoare horaia,arta prezicerii astrelor hora       
și în dreapta dat,dar este pus dat dar de la zei,zeu.Chiar și pus,așezat sisdo/sizdo
             EVIDENȚIEREA ACESTUI FAPT

                   S/Ss/zz?

                 D D o s

 Sisdos              dedos

 zizdos               dados

 Dizza                didos

 Dissa                dhe dos

 Didos                de dos

 Didzos              de douk

 ZiDos               dedeos

Deci așezatul poate să fie în legătură cu:

-așezarea,stabilirea  unei populații

-o așezare în sine,în sensul de sat

-așezarea unei construcții

-așezarea sufletului moartei în cer sau oaselor sus pe o masă pt. uscare sau jos în pământ.

-așezarea,STABILIREA timpului

Așezare care poate să fie în leg. cu hor/frig. "sus" sau kur/frig.:"arde"

Din Strong Proof The Ancient Macedonians Were Slavic - Page 2   www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message176223/pg2                             

<<Phrygian Dictionary da - yes, so is ;dahet - ended, ran out, died ;deva - lady, diva
..... hor - above, up (gor = upper modern MK - see ´Al Gore´ - a croatian by heritage ...kurit - to burn >>

Și tare îmi este teamă să nu fie vorba de o zeitate KUR în legătură cu arderea,sau poate XUR zeitate etruscană a lumii de dincolo,XUR (pronunță Khur!) însemnînd parcă (și) timp; XUR după unii este precursorul lui HOR,SUR.

așezarea,STABILIREA TIMPULUI sed,sedi,sedio,se dissos,dizos Xur,HOR,hora

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Apropos de litere sau suete geminate=îngemănate=dublate= de două ori același

1.                          Din JSTOR: Initial Alternation in Proto-Romance links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0097-8507(196806)44%3A2%3C267%3AIAIP%3E2.0.CO%3B2-Y

 

In Old Rumanian texts, Romance words with initial /r/ were regularly spelled with initial rr (Densusianu 1938:121, 124; Nandris 1963:143). ...the apparent implication is that

romance initial  /r/ underwent gemination in the history of Romanian………..gemination is an inexplicable innovation

 

 


Mulțumesc.Orice ajută.Fiind în Europa,eu mă leg de limbile cuvintele și ei.Pe undeva mă aștept la forme vechi,apropiate de PIE.Vedeți că în tracă avem zeu,ziu,forma scurtată ZI:"zeu" care derivă din dios respectiv DI.os=dZIus,ZIos,ZIos,ZEus.Apoi atît sumerienii cât și egiptenii aveau semnul Se:"samânță" în formă de spic,spic care seamănă cu +++++ sau avem ++,"Z" iar +++++ ar putea fi "ZZ". Altfel după cum bine vedeți am deja mii de citiri concrete.Numai Ăl de Sus știe care o fi bună.PROBABIL NU O SĂ ȘTIM SIGUR NICIODATĂ ! Acum mi-a venit o idee...rotacizarea este caracteristică ariei noastre. Un R ferm,sonor,răsunător evident că ar fi scris de oarecine "RR" !?

 

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 eugen wrote :

În text avem:

Se De DeOS sau De DiOS ..Da DiOS:"aceasta este de la zeu/zei"


Dacă vă ajută la ceva:

Sadad
- nume de persoană și de oraș în Siria. Apare în Vechiul Testament.

Sadad = "Right thing to do, lucky hand " ( cf. http://www.babynames2u.com/babynamesmeaning/babynames_lucky.php )



Mai există rădăcina
dd. " To draw, pull, plug, obstruct, despoil. sudd, from Arabic sudd, obstruction, from sadda, to plug, obstruct. " ( http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/S310.html ) 

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Mă voi înturna,rezghindi,ca baba:

NU AVEM D=Dz în textul tăbliței de la Tărtăria,și nu avem Zeus astfel.(cu Dz), deși putem avea foarte bine :

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                            DD.OS = Dz.OUS   sau     Dze.OS, Dze.Ous !

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AVEM FORMA MAI VECHE DIOS.  NU SE AUDE NICI UN dz sau z !

În text avem:

Se    De/ dhe    DeOS sau De DiOS ..Da DiOS:"aceasta este       de la / pus,așezat     zeu/zei"

Se,su DiDOS :"aceasta,tu dai"sau poate : DieBOS / DieVOS (forma mai veche a lat. DEUS)

DoD,DawD,DoDe-DiOS :"iubit zeu=strălucitor" (posibil dod 'L=dod,dode 'L=AL=EL)

? DjEDOS:"batrânul" ; DjeD=orros DiOS:"baza,stilpul,noada zeului"....Se de DIOS=oDDIOS KhuR / HOR ?

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                   Se: "acesta,aceasta,este"

KER,KERU,CeRo,CER                 De DIOS

     CER                               din,de la strălucirea cerului

( Ker>kara,cor keru

capul,inima cerului) http://www.bartleby.com/61/8.html <<ker-1, “head>>

HieRO,HeRo HieRa,HeRa:"sfînt,domn-apărător sfânta doamna,apărătoarea"

de/dhe/do  doo :"a pune,da,așeza 2,două"

Din http://www.bartleby.com/61/8.htmlThe root d- of Latin dnre means “to give” in most dialects but in Hittite means “to take.” ;dh-, “to set, put,”

 se     d(o,he,e)   doo/dou                       hora :

"este dat,pus   2,de două (ori),dublu  timpul"

 

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Problema este: În istoria și lingvistia mondială,dacă cercetăm, ce putem deduce din "dublu D"= "DD"?

 


De exemplu, rad. semitic

"dwd.
Also wdd. To love. 1. David; Magen David, from Hebrew dwd, David, meaning uncertain, either “beloved” or “kinsman,” akin to dôd, beloved, father's brother. 2. Jedidiah, from Hebrew ydîdyh, beloved of Yahweh, from ydîd, bound form of ydîd (< *wadd-), beloved."
(sursa - http://www.bartleby.com/61/roots/S66.html ) 

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ATENȚIE SEMNIFICAȚIILE SÎNT:

ZE, Zi =rom." zi"="ZEu"             ("Day"="God")

ZEu=ZIu=rom. "ZIua"="ZEu" ("the DAY"="the GOD")

ZEos,ZIos,ZEus,ZIus :rom. "zilei, al zilei"="zeului,al zeului" (day's,of the day.God's, of the God")

Identic,Identical Z=Dz  Zi=dZI  Ze=dZe Zu=dZu

DUMNEDZeu =Dumnezeu =Domnul nostru ZIua = ZEu, ZEul

! accentul pe Zeu,Dzeu accented !

Dumnedzeu, "domnia zilei,zeului= ne domnește"

ze,zi,dze,dzi provin din mai vechiul De,Di prezent în greacă în DIos=ZEul=strălucirea (zilei,cerului),strălucitor.

Din http://phoenixandturtle.net/excerptmill/Cook2.htm

<<Closely akin to the substantive Zeús is the adjective díos, which denotes properly 'of' or 'belonging to Zeus 3.' This meaning it actually bears in Attic drama 4. But how comes it that in the much earlier Homeric poems it has the force of 'bright' or 'glorious' .....Díos in fact meant at first 'of' or 'belonging to the bright sky'; and a vestige of its primary meaning is to be found in the frequent Homeric phrases, 'the bright upper air 6' and 'the bright dawn 7.' The transition from brightness, in this sense, to glory or splendour in general is not hard tofollow. >>......dar și în lat. Deus.    

Din http://phoenixandturtle.net/excerptmill/Cook2.htm

<<Europaean [dieu-s] from the root [di']: [die]: [deia], 'to shine.'  >>                      gr. dejos>deos:"frică"

Pornirea cică a fost PIE DIW (pronunța diu):"strălucire" (a cerului)Closely akin to the substantive Zeús is the adjective díos, which denotes properly 'of' or 'belonging to Zeus 3.' This meaning it actually bears in Attic drama 4. But how comes it that in the much earlier Homeric poems it has the force of 'bright' or 'glorious'


1. Din http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta_(letter)

<< Zeta Zeta (uppercase Ζ, lowercase ζ; Greek: Ζήτα [ziːta] Zita) is the sixth letter of the Greek alphabet. In the system of Greek numerals it has a value of 7. It was derived from the Phoenician letter Zayin . Letters that arose from Zeta include the Roman Z and Cyrillic З (Ze).

Unlike the other Greek letters, this letter did not take its name from the Phoenician letter it was derived from; it was given a new name on the pattern of beta, eta and theta.

Zeta has the numerical value 7 rather than 6 because the letter digamma (also called 'stigma' as a Greek numeral) was originally in the sixth position in the alphabet.

Zeta can be said to be the origin of the most common pronunciation of the Roman letter Z.The sound represented by zeta in Classical Greek is disputed. See Ancient Greek phonology and Pronunciation of Ancient Greek in teaching.

Most handbooks agree on attributing to it the pronunciation [zd] (like Mazda), but some scholars believe that it was an affricate [dz] (like Italian mezzo). The modern pronunciation was, in all likelihood, established in the Hellenistic age and was probably a common, if not exclusive, practice already in Classical Attic, considering that it could count as one or two consonants metrically in the Attic drama.

Arguments in favour of [zd]

  1. IE *zd becomes ζ in Greek (e.g. *sísdō > ἵζω). Contra: these words are rare and it is therefore more probable that *zd was absorbed by *dz (< *dj, *gj, *j).
  2. Without [sd] there would be an empty space between [sb] and [sg] in the Greek sound system ( πρεσβύς, σβέννυμι, φάσγανον ), and a voiced affricate [dz] would not have a voiceless correspondent. Contra: a) words with [sb] and [sg] are rare; b) there was [sd] in ὅσδε, εἰσδέχται etc.; and c) there was in fact a voiceless correspondent in Archaic Greek ([ts] > Attic, Boeotian ττ, Ionic, Doric σσ).
  3. Persian names with zd and z are transcribed with ζ and σ respectively in Classical Greek (e.g. Artavazda = Ἀρτάβαζος / Ἀρτάοζος ~ Zara(n)ka- = Σαράγγαι. Similarly, the Philistine city Ashdod was transcribed as Αζωτος.
  4. ν disappears before ζ like before σ(σ), στ: e.g. *πλάνζω > πλᾰ́ζω, *σύνζυγος = *συνστέλλω > σῠστέλλω. Contra: ν may have disappeared before /dz/ if one accepts that it had the allophone [z] in that position like /ts/ had the allophone [s]: cf. Cretan ἴαττα ~ ἀποδίδονσα (Hinge).
  5. Verbs beginning with ζ have ἐ- in the perfect reduplication like the verbs beginning with στ (e.g. ἔζηκα = ἔσταλται). Contra: a) The most prominent example of a verb beginning with στ has in fact ἑ- < *se- in the perfect reduplication (ἕστηκα; b) the words with /ts/ > σ(σ) also have ἐ-: Homer ἔσσυμαι, -ται, Ion. ἐσσημένῳ.
  6. Alcman, Sappho, Alcaeus and Theocritus have σδ for Attic-Ionic ζ. Contra: The tradition would not have invented this special digraph for these poets if [zd] was the normal pronunciation in all Greek. Furthermore, this convention is not found in contemporary inscriptions, and the orthography of the manuscripts and papyri is Alexandrine rather than historical. Thus, σδ indicates only a different pronunciation from Hellenistic Greek [z(ː)], i.e. either [zd] or [ʣ].
  7. The grammarians Dionysius Thrax and Dionysius of Halicarnassus class ζ with the "double" (διπλᾶ) letters ψ, ξ and analyse it as σ + δ. Contra: The Roman grammarian Verrius Flaccus believed in the opposite sequence, δ + σ (in Velius Longus, De orthogr. 51), and Aristotle says that it was a matter of dispute (Metaph. 993a) (though Aristotle might as well be referring to a [zː] pronunciation).
  8. Some Attic transcriptions of Asia Minor toponyms (βυζζαντειον, αζζειον, etc) show a -ζζ- for ζ; assuming that Attic value was [zd], it may be an attempt to transcribe a dialectal [dz] pronunciation; the reverse cannot be ruled completely, but a -σδ- transcription would have been more likely in this case. This suggest that different dialects had different pronunciations.
  9. Some Attic inscriptions have -σζ- for -σδ- or -ζ-, which is thought to parallel -σστ- for -στ- and therefore to imply a [zd] pronunciation.
  10. Arguments in favour of [dz]
  11. The Greek inscriptions almost never write ζ in words like ὅσδε, τούσδε or εἰσδέχται, so there must have been a difference between this sound and the sound of ἵζω, Ἀθήναζε. Contra: a few inscriptions do seem to suggest that ζ was pronounced like σδ (though it may indeed be a minority pronunciation).
  12. It seems improbable that Greek would invent a special symbol for the bisegmental combination [zd], which could be represented by σδ without any problems. /ds/, on the other hand, would have the same sequence of plosive and sibilant as the double letters of the Ionic alphabet ψ /ps/ and ξ /ks/, thereby avoiding a written plosive at the end of a syllable. Contra: the use of a special symbol for [zd] is no more or no less improbable that the use of ψ for [ps] and ξ for [ks], and such use of special letters may be justified by the fact that they are the only double sounds that could appear at a word initial.
  13. Boeotian, Elean, Laconian and Cretan δδ are more easily explained as a direct development from *dz than through an intermediary *zd. Contra: a) the sound development dz > dd is improbable (Mendez Dosuna); b) ν has disappeared before ζ > δδ in Laconian πλαδδιῆν (Aristoph., Lys. 171, 990) and Boeotian σαλπίδδω (Sch. Lond. in Dion. Thrax 493), which suggests that these dialects have had a phase of metathesis (Teodorsson).
  14. Greek in South Italy has preserved [dz] until modern times. Contra: a) this may be a later development from [zd] or [z]; b) even if it is derived from an ancient [dz], it may be a dialectal pronunciation.
  15. Vulgar Latin inscriptions use the Greek letter Z for indigenous affricates (e.g. zeta = diaeta), and the Greek ζ is continued by a Romance affricate in the ending -ίζω > Italian. -eggiare, French -oyer. Contra: whether the prononciation of ζ was [dz], [zd] or [zː], di would probably still have been the closest native Latin sound.
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  17. σδ is attested only in Lesbian and Spartan lyric poetry from the Archaic age and in Bucolic poetry from the Hellenistic Age. Most scholars would take this as an indication that the [zd]-pronunciation existed in the dialects of these authors.
  • The transcriptions from Persian by Xenophon and testimony by grammarians support the pronunciation [zd] in Classical Attic. On the other hand. The fact that ζ (e.g. ὄζω) and σδ (e.g. ὅσδε) are distinguished in all Classical inscriptions and literary texts indicates a different pronunciation.
  • [z(ː)] is attested from c. 350 BC in Attic inscriptions, and was the probable value in Koine.
  • [dʒ] or [dz] may have existed in some other dialects in parallel.
  • Z, z - Latin
  • З, з - Ze (Cyrillic)
  • Allen, William Sidney: Vox Graeca:

2. Din The God http://ausis.gf.vu.lt/eka/mythology/relmyth.html

<< Lithuanian God, Prussian Deywis, Deiws, Latvian Dievs is derived from the Indo-European name of god Deivos. At some time this word was to describe the lighted dome of sky, cf. old Indo-European deva "god" and dyaus "sky"; Latin deus and dies, cf Lith. god and day; these words stem from indoeuropean root deiuos, that means both God and the sky, divine heaven etc. Baltic Dievas, Dievs, Deivs is related to Greek Zeus, Dzeus (cf. Lith dialect Pondzejis), avest. Daeva, luvian Tiwat, German Tivaz. From the Balts the name of God was borrowed by Finns, Finnish and Estonian taivas, taevas "heaven". >>

3. Din http://mitencyklopedia.w.interia.pl/zeus.html

<< Zeus. Dzeus, gr. Ζεύς, egejski Za(ya)s, myken. di-we, od ζεύς 'niebo' z ie. *deiuo- 'ts.', dosł. 'Jasne Niebo';>>

4.Din http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-greek/2005-September/035811.html << I agree with the other people who have responded to this thread that the
name of Jesus (ee-ay-sous) was not directly derived from the name of Zeus (dzous). >>

5. Din http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/linguistics-forum/8373-slavmacedonian-interpretation-greek-words-split-thread.html << Zeus - Dzeus - Dze - Dezeve - meaning 'Light' to the ancient Macedonians, or God of Light

The Kalash believe in the Creator God Dezau, which is very close to Dze as recorded in the Rosetta stone Demotic, which in modern Macedonian had survived in the word 'dze' used in kids talk for light, or visible, something you can see (on the Greek side this would turn into Zeus).

Similarly, De-Ze-Ve, which later fused into Dze, as recorded in the Demotic of the Rosetta stone, would mean the God who holds the thunder. De, meaning Deo, or God, Ze meaning ‘to take’, ‘to hold, as in modern Macedonian zema (to take), Ve, meaning lightning, as in modern Macedonian veda (lightning), and at the same time meaning ‘to see’, ‘visible’, as in vedi (‘to see’ in old-Slavic), or vidi (‘to see’, in modern Macedonian). De-Ze-Ve actually is the God who Holds the Light(-ning), or the Thunder God, known as Zeus to the Greeks.>>

6. Din What were diferences between Zeus and Perun? - Yahoo! Answers  answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080403032158AAqlmtD<<Sky God is Zeus or Dzeus. The word derives from DZVEZDA, Macedonian word for Star. The Greek word for star is Asteri, similar to Asian Ishtar. 5 months ago ...>>

<<Europa was a pretty daughter of Agenor – a lord of the Phoenician town Sidon. Zeus (Dzeus), master of Olympus and the most important god of Greek Pantheon, fell in love with her. Because he wanted to capture her heart, he changed into a snow-white bull and arrived at the meadow where Europa was playing with her playmates.>>
<<History
Proto-Semitic šPhoenician SEtruscan SGreek Sigma

Semitic Šîn ("teeth") represented a voiceless postalveolar fricative /ʃ/ (as in ship). Greek did not have this sound, so the Greek sigma (Σ) came to represent /s/. The name "sigma" probably comes from the Arabic word "samak" (fish; spine) and not "Šîn". In Etruscan and Latin, the [s] value was maintained, and only in modern languages has the letter been used to represent other sounds, such as voiceless postalveolar fricative [ʃ] in Hungarian and German (before p, t) or the voiced alveolar fricative [z] in English, French and German.

Care must be taken for incompletely anglicised words from German and proper names from that language. The trigraph "sch" is pronounced like the English digraph "sh." When S is followed either by a p or t, it is pronounced with the same "sh" sound, but when starting a word followed by a vowel, it is pronounced like the English "z," (not the German one). >>

9. Din http://rosetta-stone.etf.ukim.edu.mk/index.php?q=en/book/export/html/13

<<We concluded the god Ѕе[dze] (by his function god of the summers) was a supreme god because in the text he is addressed very similarly to a pharaoh, i.e. with two epithets in the superlative, in the original it is the following:

Read from left to right:
НаЈьНаЅееИМеНЦа НаЈьЅееИ МоИ НаЗееВе Бого ЛТоИ
[najьnadzeimenca najьdzei moi nazeve bogo ltoi] >>
10.
Din NationMaster - Encyclopedia: Semitic scripts www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Semitic-scripts
  • << Dze (Ð…, Ñ•) is a letter of the Cyrillic alphabet, .... The Geez language (or Giiz language) is an ancient language that developed in the Ethiopian ...>>
  • ???

    Bidialectalism in Cyprus and its impact on the teaching of Greek ... www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/1473-4192.00005 -that the linguistic code taught in the classroom does not correspond exactly to the linguistic code that is used in the ..... /kE'ros/. /dZE'ros/. ‘weather’ ... b) Geminates: double consonants are pronounced in the Cypriot Dialect .... d) different domains of use: Teachers mention that CD is mainly used in oral ...

    Noi avem pre tăbliță semnele +++++

                                                         D  D  o  s   pe care le putem citi la o adică,

    ? kerros, zerros ?

  • << Assuming either description, a special case must be made for geminates. ..... various dialectal correspondents [-zd-, -dd-] of Attic [dz] < [C ...
    .....  IE *d(w)ej-
    appears as greek *dej-os >deos :"fear" .....                                                                 *je(s) > dze-oo. "boil".Skr yasati  Ogh jesan ..........The various dialectal correspondents [-zd-, -dd-] of Attic [dÉz] < [C ...
    various dialectal correspondents [-zd-, -dd-] of Attic [dÉz] < [C
    +voice
    j] (Lejeune 1955:§§94ff),
    as well as the geminate result [-tt-] < [C
    -voice
    j] show that the same holds true for [coronal+j]
    and [velar+j] sequences.
    >>
  • 2204

    zew
    zeo
    dzeh'-o

    a primary verb; to be hot (boil, of liquids; or glow, of solids), i.e. (figuratively) be fervid (earnest):--be fervent.


  • Din Vol. 10 #4 2000 genome.cshlp.org/content/10/4/403.full.pdf
    <<The Greek language has ein (to boil), zestos (ferment, boil, hot),..  >>


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